Curse

Rocky Raccoon · May 08, 2010, 12:09 AM // 00:09

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Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

Trashing them for being incompetent and letting their game be run into the ground on multiple forums? Do whatever you can really, and avoid the white-knight instinct to call for the closure of negative threads like this. Anet is in the business of making money and holds multiple jobs to maintain GW1. They don't need moral support, and players have a responsibility to raise as loud a stink as necessary proportional to the various festering problems.

They already have your money, if they don't want to do anything you have no recourse. You should be happy they still support a game that everyone says is dead (if you believe what the qq'ers on the forums have to say). Most of the trash I see comes from the mouths of said posters. I am getting tired of the "we only complain because we care so much about the game". If you can't walk away from a game you really don't seem to like anymore, you have a problem deeper than GW.

Apok · May 08, 2010, 01:57 AM // 01:57

I feel as though someone should post a new "plans to stop botting" thread here. Not saying me, since I have no clue as to how they work nor do I care. Kinda late in the game to start having them, and facing them is better than facing people that can't tie their own shoes (and heroes).

Really, all this thread is "if anet does not respond to this thread, then they don't care about botters." What the hell do you want them to do? Come in here, tell you that they are doing they can, then leave you in the dark? They've been doing that ever since the 55 bots showed their faces. Doing it over and over again won't make the problem any better or worse. All it will do is make people more pissed at them for not being able to do anything and continue to flame them.

Need I remind people that this is a problem that EVERY ONLINE GAME HAS??? It's like asking a local hospital what it plans to do about breast cancer.

DreamWind · May 08, 2010, 02:03 AM // 02:03

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

When a guild can place in the mATs with a bot program in their name and not get banned, then you know that Anet is full of shit.

HAHAHAHA. I come back to skim these forums and I find this gem. I'm so glad I quit this game when it deteriorated.

Hells Fury · May 08, 2010, 03:54 AM // 03:54

Out of curiosity... how hard is to disable injecting dlls and what are the downsides of it? I don't have any idea how that works or whats it used for but if that would slow down botting why aren't they doing it.

fireflyry · May 08, 2010, 04:54 AM // 04:54

For every person in here whining about bots there are hundreds, if not thousands, happily playing the game.

It's really that simple, not discounting any of the valid points in here and the right of customers to voice complaint.

In a non-subscription game where the bottom fell out of the economy years ago I really don't see bots being an issue.Money and loot is a cakewalk to get anyway, not that GW was ever gear based outside of pure aesthetics, and I can't hold it against people to bot titles when even contemplating the grind of GWAMM gives me a headache.

We are all pretty new to having a whold gen of MMO's slowy dwindle to death awaiting the next gen of product and to me this is an inevitable consequence of the non-subscription blueprint where "1337 lewt" is really a non-issue and the end-game is nothing but grinding the HoM.

Unrealistic expectations seems more at fault to me.I've had my moneys worth and can still enjoy the game, bots regardless.

I sympathize but really it seems far more effective to just ignore than expect a fix from a skeleton crew at Anet HQ.

/signed for lack of response though, customers do deserve more frequent feed back.

Amy Awien · May 08, 2010, 07:51 AM // 07:51

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Originally Posted by Hell Darkblight

Out of curiosity... how hard is to disable injecting dlls and what are the downsides of it?

If 'injecting dll's' means what I think it is, then it is fairly hard to 'disable'. GW, like any windows program uses code from the OS - through dynamically linked libraries - and some of these could be modified by the user/bot to change how the GW client functions. It might be very hard to secure them.

Killed u man · May 08, 2010, 02:44 PM // 14:44

Just joined an HA pug as a PB mesmer. Aside from me obviously being an insane PB mesmer (:P), we dind't face a single team that wasn't running a bot. I've never seen this before.

Concidering the bots are created by and for euros, it's common sense to assume euros (germans and frenchies mainly) will use them most, but every team in HA is running a bot nowdays, it's redicilous.

The first match was against a bspam guild. Their Monk (HB) was running a bot to interrupt me. (Mesmer)

I got interrupted on every second spell (whenever he had his pdrain rdy), about 5% being cast, aswell as getting Pblock interrupted once. It wouldn't have been that big of a deal if it wasn't for the fact that they are a terrible guild, and he was a terrible monk camping a staff, letting a bot manage his energy.

Second match was a Rt/A way guild with their PB mesmer which PB'd my PB (I'm not kidding), and afterwards interrupted all of my shames and diversions whilst PBlocking our heal monk on dwayna's kiss every now and then. (Under HB)

Bad euros farming a dead game with obvious bots. What has this world come to. The best part about all this was every single on of them was calling me a bad mesmer in engrish after I said I reported them.

They KNOW they can get away with this, and that makes everything the more sad. HA is now officially unplayable during euro hour due to the extreme amount of bots active.

Greedy Gus · May 08, 2010, 03:01 PM // 15:01

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Originally Posted by Rocky Raccoon

They already have your money, if they don't want to do anything you have no recourse. You should be happy they still support a game that everyone says is dead (if you believe what the qq'ers on the forums have to say). Most of the trash I see comes from the mouths of said posters. I am getting tired of the "we only complain because we care so much about the game". If you can't walk away from a game you really don't seem to like anymore, you have a problem deeper than GW.

The point of voicing complaints is to attempt to influence where those support resources go, by letting them know just what the worst problems are from the player perspective. The problem with white knights here is that they're either too incompetent in understanding the situation or just willfully blind to it, so you can't distinguish the difference between someone not liking the fundamental game and someone complaining about peripheral problems with it that don't get addressed properly or timely. So you see negativity toward Anet and get emotional with the leave britney alone stuff.

This is exceedingly simple: I like guild wars, but I dislike bots coming into all aspects of the game and nothing being done about them. Your advice is to throw the baby out with the bath water, chant love it or leave it, etc. You have a problem deeper than GW if your instinct toward human solidarity is more inclined to line up with the company in search of easiest profit instead of with your fellow powerless players with valid frustrations.

Ninja Ninja · May 08, 2010, 03:08 PM // 15:08

The high amount of bots playing right now and not getting dealt with makes me want to quit this game. There turning guild wars into an electricity bill.

Killed u man · May 08, 2010, 03:16 PM // 15:16

No, Guild Wars PvP is officially unplayable now. There's bots in HA, RA and GvG. People are not evening hiding they are botting. There's guild being created saying they're botters, and they're still going unbanned. There's people with names which indicate they are botting (I've seen ***** Imabot) and they are rediculing legit PvP'ers.

You have to options right now:

Either you bot

or you don't play, unless you don't mind getting stomped by bot teams.

QueenofDeath · May 08, 2010, 03:43 PM // 15:43

Well I don't really think everything that is said to be a bot is a bot. Some players and even a lot of players could have a better and faster computer than you, they could also have a better and faster video card than you and they could also have a better and faster isp than you. Just because you get blocked everytime or you lose all the time doesn't mean everyone is a bot. Also just because someone has a title as like Iamabot doesn't mean they are a bot either. Many players do things just to piss people off and see how many people they can get to. Players like Killed u man seem to be easily suceptible to their antics it would seem so everyone is a bot that whoops his azz. lol
I play RA and HA and FA and JQ and AB and I don't see all these antics that he speaks of or some of the others. I think baloons are being blown out of proportion here.
Not to say there aren't any bots, but, i don't believe as many as some of these posters would lead others to believe there are.

Jinkies · May 08, 2010, 03:45 PM // 15:45

Honestly I don't think Anet should use their time to ban bots. Bots in GW have always had an effect on the economy to some degree and it's my honest belief that there are no more bots now then there were pre GWCA public release.

The only difference I can see is in the population using them. For years GW players who wanted to be rich in game would get their money from Asian gold selling sites. With the increase and availability of public bots, far fewer people are buying ecto online from these sites and are instead running their own personal farm bots.

Not only has this been witnessed by the decrease in prices of Ecto on gold selling sites, but the overall amount of GW account hackings has also decreased significantly. Thus signaling that most of the gold selling sites have shifted their interests over to other games.

Let's be honest, what could Anet really do to stop botting besides issue a widespread blanket ban which would undoubtedly also catch alot of innocent people in the process? Part of the GW design which allows it to remain a free-to-play game relies on the relatively low bandwith costs, which is only low because Anet is able to store alot of the GW file and information on the client side. The weakness in this is that it is easier to find ways to exploit this, but honestly there is nothing Anet can or should do about it.

Even if Anet made a huge announcement saying it will have a zero tolerence policy on botting, and even if they devote all their resources into banning botters instead of working on skill balances, new content, and GW2.. what good would that do? The famed Bergen Hot Springs bot operates only on the use of GW Prophecies which costs as low as $3 on Amazon and Ebay. Sufficed to say, botting will not stop as a result of increased banning.

I don't see an upside for Anet to ban botters either. Since the introduction of GWCA I'm almost positive the amount of GW sales has increased. With more sales and fewer gold seling sites it's a win/win situation for Anet to totally ignore threads like this.

People complain so much about botting on this site but outside of Guru I can't think of a high profile GW fansite that actually gives a dang about people who bot (I know I don't). What people here forget is that it is the people of Guru's fault that there are more common players who bot than before.

By forcing Anet to nerf builds that abused skills such as Shadow Form and 600Smite, the people of Guru really left alot of people who played the game only for rare items and money with no appealing alternative. The truth is that I found it quite fun to blast my way through dungeons or other areas through the use of these skills, not to mention it was a solid way of making money. Now for most people, the obvious solution is botting.

What it comes down to is whether or not many people are actually affected by other peoples use of bots.

Has the price of Unids dropped as a result of the raptor farm bot? No
Did the price of Cupcakes drop last event? No
Have the Ecto prices dropped as a result of botting? No
Could interupt botting be solved by running physicals and learning to cancel cast? Yes

I am glad Anet has made the right decison to opt for working on the WIK and GW2 rather than waste their time trying to cater to the ignorant people of Guru who actually believe botting has had a serious affect on GW.

QueenofDeath · May 08, 2010, 03:48 PM // 15:48

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I am glad Anet has made the right decison to opt for working on the WIK and GW2 rather than waste their time trying to cater to the ignorant people of Guru who actually believe botting has had a serious affect on the economy of GW.

Me too as botting was never as serious as other things they need to fix in the game like SF and speed clearing.

Ninja Ninja · May 08, 2010, 04:00 PM // 16:00

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Originally Posted by Jinkies

Honestly I don't think Anet should use their time to ban bots. Bots in GW have always had an effect on the economy to some degree and it's my honest belief that there are no more bots now then there were pre GWCA public release.

The only difference I can see is in the population using them. For years GW players who wanted to be rich in game would get their money from Asian gold selling sites. With the increase and availability of public bots, far fewer people are buying ecto online from these sites and are instead running their own personal farm bots.

Not only has this been witnessed by the decrease in prices of Ecto on gold selling sites, but the overall amount of GW account hackings has also decreased significantly. Thus signaling that most of the gold selling sites have shifted their interests over to other games.

Let's be honest, what could Anet really do to stop botting besides issue a widespread blanket ban which would undoubtedly also catch alot of innocent people in the process? Part of the GW design which allows it to remain a free-to-play game relies on the relatively low bandwith costs, which is only low because Anet is able to store alot of the GW file and information on the client side. The weakness in this is that it is easier to find ways to exploit this, but honestly there is nothing Anet can or should do about it.

Even if Anet made a huge announcement saying it will have a zero tolerence policy on botting, and even if they devote all their resources into banning botters instead of working on skill balances, new content, and GW2.. what good would that do? The famed Bergen Hot Springs bot operates only on the use of GW Prophecies which costs as low as $3 on Amazon and Ebay. Sufficed to say, botting will not stop as a result of increased banning.

I don't see an upside for Anet to ban botters either. Since the introduction of GWCA I'm almost positive the amount of GW sales has increased. With more sales and fewer gold seling sites it's a win/win situation for Anet to totally ignore threads like this.

People complain so much about botting on this site but outside of Guru I can't think of a high profile GW fansite that actually gives a dang about people who bot (I know I don't). What people here forget is that it is the people of Guru's fault that there are more common players who bot than before.

By forcing Anet to nerf builds that abused skills such as Shadow Form and 600Smite, the people of Guru really left alot of people who played the game only for rare items and money with no appealing alternative. The truth is that I found it quite fun to blast my way through dungeons or other areas through the use of these skills, not to mention it was a solid way of making money. Now for most people, the obvious solution is botting.

What it comes down to is whether or not many people are actually affected by other peoples use of bots.

Has the price of Unids dropped as a result of the raptor farm bot? No
Did the price of Cupcakes drop last event? No
Have the Ecto prices dropped as a result of botting? No
Could interupt botting be solved by running physicals and learning to cancel cast? Yes

I am glad Anet has made the right decison to opt for working on the WIK and GW2 rather than waste their time trying to cater to the ignorant people of Guru who actually believe botting has had a serious affect on GW.

Your entire post is talking about PvE botting, you do know there's pvp botting?

Jinkies · May 08, 2010, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by Ninja Ninja

Your entire post is talking about PvE botting, you do know there's pvp botting?

I made a specific reference to PvP interupt botting near the end of my post.
Interupt botting is annoying, but relies on enemy teams running a disproportionate amount of spellcasters to physicals.

All you have to do is run an extra Warrior or Assassin and the interupt botter is toast. What is a mesmer with 6 interupts going to do against a hammer warrior?

The interupt bot isn't even that useful when you think about it. It's practically useless to Rangers since it doesnt account for obstructions and travel time. Most good ranger interupters rely on prediction in the first place. Not to mention the amount of apparent PvP botters is exaggerated. It's never been difficult to interupt 1-2 second spells with a mesmer interupt and those who are so quick to call bot on someone who does are fools.

Del · May 08, 2010, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by Jinkies

Could interupt botting be solved by running physicals and learning to cancel cast? Yes

You're a moron, the bots have no reaction time, therefore, they don't waste energy or a skill attempting to rupt. every attempt hits. and why should botting be tolerated.

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Originally Posted by QueenofDeath

Well I don't really think everything that is said to be a bot is a bot. Some players and even a lot of players could have a better and faster computer than you, they could also have a better and faster video card than you and they could also have a better and faster isp than you. Just because you get blocked everytime[sic] or you lose all the time doesn't mean everyone is a bot. Also just because someone has a title as like Iamabot doesn't mean they are a bot either. Many players do things just to piss people off and see how many people they can get to. Players like Killed u man seem to be easily suceptible[sic] to their antics it would seem so everyone is a bot that whoops his azz[sic]. lol
I play RA and HA and FA and JQ and AB and I don't see all these antics that he speaks of or some of the others. I think baloons[sic] are being blown out of proportion here.
Not to say there aren't any bots, but, i don't believe as many as some of these posters would lead others to believe there are.

sure not everyone is a bot, but when rupts hit spells at the same completion percentage every time, then it's pretty shady. and yeah, there are actually a shit ton of bots around.

Jinkies · May 08, 2010, 04:52 PM // 16:52

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Originally Posted by Del

You're a moron, the bots have no reaction time, therefore, they don't waste energy or a skill attempting to rupt. every attempt hits. and why should botting be tolerated.

Wrong, bots have reaction times and they are based on ping and whether or not the individual user has set a randomized delay time to appear human. Bots are unable to determine exactly when a skill is canceled or interupted and change their actions accordingly. This is why on teams consisting of 2 or more bots, both bots can be witnessed using interupts on the same target at nearly the same time. (As opposed to one bot interupting the taget, and the other not interupting the same target as a result.) Or in the case of cancel casting, a person may cancel their spell at 50% and shortly after see an interupt being used against him by a botter at roughly 70% casted.

Only a moron would argue that running a physical character (with no spells to interupt) or learning to cancel cast would not prove effective against botters.

Shayne Hawke · May 08, 2010, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by Gaile

I think you've asked this question of the wrong person, and in the wrong place. But the short answer is, yes, botting is cheating, and the answer to the predicted follow-up is "Yes, we block botters daily and will continue to do so." Of course, I can predict the follow up to that will be, "Why aren't you addressing (this area) or (that bot program) or (those people)?" Please forgive me if I decline to get into specifics. Again, we block bots daily; I know this because I get the daily and weekly stats which I share with the studio and publisher in one of my reports. And truly, we intend to continue blocking bots daily and examining ways in which we can make our efforts more effective. (I apologize for what probably seems a generic response, but I am sincere in what I'm saying.)

So, they're banning the botters, but it doesn't look like they're doing anything about the programs themselves.

Seems like I could go into HA, get really, really lucky with a bar full of interrupts, and get banned on account of botting, even if I never downloaded one of those programs.

Doesn't seem like they're really solving the problem. More like they're just trying their best to not let it get too much worse too fast.

Del · May 08, 2010, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by Jinkies

Wrong, bots have reaction times and they are based on ping and whether or not the individual user has set a randomized delay time to appear human. Bots are unable to determine exactly when a skill is canceled or interupted and change their actions accordingly. This is why on teams consisting of 2 or more bots, both bots can be witnessed using interupts on the same target at nearly the same time. (As opposed to one bot interupting the taget, and the other not interupting the same target as a result.) Or in the case of cancel casting, a person may cancel their spell at 50% and shortly after see an interupt being used against him by a botter at roughly 70% casted.

Only a moron would argue that running a physical character (with no spells to interupt) or learning to cancel cast would not prove effective against botters.

only a moron would argue that nothing should be done about botting. and besides, did i ever argue against physicals?

McMullen · May 08, 2010, 05:14 PM // 17:14

I completely disagree with Jinkies. It shouldn't be upto the players to come up with viable counters to bot teams (unless the viable counter is an effective reporting tool or a ban stick), playing against bots in PvP completely ruins the point of it being PvP. I do realise that there's only a small team working on GW and that they're trying to push out the War in Kryta content but I feel there's no excuse to completely disregard players blatantly breaking the EULA.